Katakana or Hiragana first? (2024)

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Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 15:12

I understand Kanji should be learnt last. But what about Hiragana and Katakana?
I'm completely new to the language, seeing I only know english. I tried to start learning Katakana yesterday and memorized the first 10. Then I wondered if I should learn Hiragana first. Is it used more?
Which way should I go about this?
Thanks.

by DarkOpsDelta (guest)
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 16:06

Always start with hiragana. It is the basic alphabet for japanese words, and will help you understand katakana, which is for western words, generally speaking. Without hiragana you won't understand kanji. For example ‚É‚Ù‚ñ‚² (Japanese language) is the four hiragana (and four sounds) that make up the kanji, “ú–{Œê.

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Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 16:39

Thank you very much.

"For example ‚É‚Ù‚ñ‚² (Japanese language) is the four hiragana (and four sounds) that make up the kanji, “ú–{Œê."

I don't fully understand what you mean by makes up the Kanji part though..

by DarkOpsDelta (guest)rate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 17:36

Every kanji can be written in hiragana. So when you type “ú–{Œê@or ‚É‚Ù‚ñ‚² you're typing the same thing. However, kanji is used as a way to first shorten the amount of text in sentences, and second as a method to distinguish the various hom*ophones in japanese.

by Ben (guest)rate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 17:39

I don't fully understand what you mean by makes up the Kanji part though..
I think guest is simply stating that “ú–{Œê is pronounced as ‚É‚Ù‚ñ‚² (nihongo), 3 kanji pronounced as 4 syllables.
Kana is important for both pronunciation of the kanji and for the grammar components of the Japanese language and therefore is important to learn quickly. It should only take a few days to learn. The Roman alphabet is not really used and I would recommend to use kana as soon as you can so you can use the better books without problems.

Both hiragana and katakana are Japanese syllabaries and the pronunciation of the written text is clear. ‚É‚Ù‚ñ‚² is pronounced as ni.ho.n.go. However, if you look at the compound kanji “ú–{Œê , the pronunciation isn't immediately clear: “ú is sometimes pronounced as hi, ka, nichi, etc.; the same for –{ which is sometimes hon and sometimes moto, etc, and this is where the nightmare of kanji starts for the Japanese learner. :-)

by Kalle (guest)rate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/6 18:06

Just to follow up on your original question, as you are completely new to learning Japanese, I think the priority of study areas should be thus: kana, grammar (and lots of it), pronunciation, understanding, kanji.

It is very temping to study the beautiful kanji, but IMO it is very important to form correct sentences and make yourself understood, and be able to understand people when they speak. Aim to learn as quickly as possible to form Japanese sentences in your mind without translating them from your mother tongue into Japanese and vice versa each time. Once you can do that, you'll start to enjoy yourself :-)

by Kalle (guest)rate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/7 06:26

Yepp all new to it. I mean, I know common phrases or Japanese Dramas and anime and such.
But writing and reading seems harder. Like you remember it, wake up and you've forgotten half of the list.

by DarkOpsDelta (guest)rate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/7 09:30

I am a VERY VERY basic Japanese language learner: and VERY slow as well....
Its important to learn Hiragana first, because it gets you into the swing of the sounds (Japanese, apart from a,i, u, e,o and n, is all sounds, not letters.) It also helps with starting to understand the sentence construction. So in order to learn to speak and listen, Hiragana is essential.
Katakana becomes important when needing to read, as it is used to write the "foreign language" derived words,
I could get the gist of most of the written signs on trains etc and simple restaurant menus, even when there were kanji in there as well...have no idea of the Kanji AT ALL, but with Hiragana and Katakana it was possible to manage as a tourist.
Not sure if this makes any sense, as I am still so basic in my learning, but its how I've been taught, and it makes sense to me as I continue to learn.
BTW: I doubt I will ever attempt the Kanji, at my age, lol.....

by fmjrate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/11 15:42

Nihongo quite simply is a bear to learn. And I was told by my University sensee that people "my age" have great difficulty learning new languages. That said, as poor as is my Japanese is, what I remembered from two semesters of beginning Japanese 113-114 level, was an absolute lifesaver when I was in Japan recently.The glass was only 1/10th full but 1/10 is infinitely better than zero. Knowing the kana scripts was the key to any understanding at all. Learn them by heart.

by johnnymanrate this post as useful
Re: Katakana or Hiragana first?2012/5/12 06:30

It doesn't really matter which kana you learn first, despite what others say. You'll need to learn them both if you want to achieve any sort of literacy, so the end result will be the same. If you've already started learning katakana, then finish learning it. When you're done, work on learning hiragana. Be sure you can both read and write all characters.

I learned hiragana first. However, the last time I was in japan, I came across a guy from london who didn't know any japanese at all. I recommended he learn katakana (if nothing else). That way, at least, he could read "english" words written in japanese.

I learned ‚ before ƒA, but ƒn before ‚Í. And I learned — and ’j before I finished learning the numbers. *shrug*

If you have an android phone, check out the "JA Sensei" and "Obenkyo" apps. I used JA Sensei to learn the kana, and practice writing them. I used Obenkyo to test myself.

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