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John
This is the 10 Minute Teacher podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.
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Vicki Davis
Today's podcast is being sponsored by Mad Learn, my favorite tool for app building and the one I'm using this year with my ninth-grade students. Stay tuned at the end of the show to learn how you can get a hands-on free trial.
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Vicki
So today we're talking with my friend Alefiya Master from MAD-Learn. Now, it's not a commercial. You know, I don't have a lot of companies on here. Ten years ago, in the hallway at ISTE. You had a little girl. It was in Atlanta that she was presenting… what was her name, Kennedy? What that her name?
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Alefiya
Was that Kennedy had a fabulous memory.
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Vicki
Ha ha… it's not usually that good. It was talking about an app she had made. And I was like, what is this app? And then I interviewed her down at the company, and then Alefiya and I became friends. For many, many years, my students have built on her platform. Then, we did the first global collaborative app building with Matt about Mattering.
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Alefiya
Thanks to you.
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Vicki
And a lot of other people. But today we actually want to talk about building apps with students and collaboration. So some teachers think, well, it's hard to get students in a group of two to work together and how can you get kids to collaboratively build apps together? So what's what are the current best practices you're seeing as you work with teachers?
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Alefiya
We learn from the best and we have learned so much from you. And I'm so glad that you have me on today because it truly is. You have been such an inspiration for me for our whole team as we've really developed and continue to constantly develop what we can offer our teachers and students. And so one of the best examples that you've shown us is making it.
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Alefiya
Meaningful, right?
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Alefiya
Really, truly making it meaningful for the students. We talk.
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Alefiya
About collaboration.
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Alefiya
It's not just arbitrarily. These are the four kids that are going.
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Alefiya
To be on that team, you have to work together. It's figuring out what interests them, what drives them, and what they're passionate about. If I remember correctly, some of your kids made apps about some really.
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Alefiya
Intense social issues.
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Vicki
Yeah, there was one on self-harm and cutting called Uncut, and that was a tough one; I'll admit, it is not for everybody because we had to have a lot of conversations to not trigger.
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Alefiya
Absolutely. And they did. A group of kids came.
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Alefiya
Together because they felt a certain way about it and they wanted to help and they wanted.
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Alefiya
To create something that was meaningful. So I think.
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Alefiya
The forced collaboration is where we tend to find that struggle and the battle of, I don't want to.
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Alefiya
Work with so-and-so or that's not my friend or but if you focus it on affinity and affinity grouping and interest.
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Alefiya
Grouping and passion grouping, you tend to see that natural collaboration.
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Alefiya
Ensue. And it is it's.
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Alefiya
So.
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Alefiya
Important to have our kids collaborate.
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Vicki
So how is it working now? How are teachers finding those affinity groups, this passion, common passions? Are they doing it with like post-it note brainstorming on the board or how's that coming about in classrooms?
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Alefiya
Now everything that we.
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Alefiya
Believe is so fundamental for students is the.
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Alefiya
Process of design thinking, right? That engineering design process.
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Alefiya
That we know is so important.
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Alefiya
The first step of that is brainstorming, empathizing, coming up with an idea, ideation. A lot of you know, within my learning, for example, we have integrated modules for design thinking. All of those six steps are integrated.
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Alefiya
Into the tool. So when I log in and say, okay, I want to create an app, step one think of an idea.
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Alefiya
Now I can actually see a list of ideas from everyone else in my school, and I could say, so-and-so is doing that or so-and-so is interested in that. Maybe I can work with him or so-and-so has that idea, but.
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Alefiya
I think this might be a cool thing. Let me go talk to them and see if we can work together. So you're not just in your.
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Alefiya
Own silo of my ideas, because sometimes it's hard right to think of an idea. That first step.
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Alefiya
Is often the hardest.
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Alefiya
Now we have this.
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Alefiya
Inspiration board, if you will, where you can share ideas across the school.
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Vicki
When working with genius projects and app-building projects, I always try to find those things that I'll tell a student. They're like, Well, I don't know what to do. And I'll say, Well, what's something that you could just talk to me about forever? And maybe a lot of your friends might say they're bored, but what is that thing you can just go on and on about because that kind of shows your passions?
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Vicki
And when you can put those kids together, whether you're talking about Minecraft or whatever it is, then there's no end in their interest level. In that topic.
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Alefiya
I have to tell you a story of one of my.
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Alefiya
Favorite apps
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Alefiya
So we have an app called Mad.
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Alefiya
Store, which is our version of the App Store. So the best apps get published on the Mad Store. There is one on there called Potato World. Look it up on the Mad Store Potato world. I kid you not. This is an app.
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Alefiya
All about potatoes.
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Alefiya
Now, when I when I heard this from the kids, I was like, really? Come on, guys. But it is one of the most liked and.
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Alefiya
Highest-rated apps on our app store. It's in-depth information about all.
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Alefiya
Kinds of potatoes. There's a potato video, there's a talking potato, there's a potato award. I mean, recipes with potatoes, anything you can think of because that group of kids, we're like, we love potatoes. We're going to make a potato.
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Vicki
Yeah. And I mean, one of the best that one of my students created was Drone Zone. And it was all about drones. Okay, So you have your design thinking, you have your ideation, and then you start building together and, you know, some of the typical issues that you have when you start building together. How would you characterize these issues as teachers start collaborating and working together so they can know what things do you observe?
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Alefiya
One of the biggest things is setting roles and responsibilities within a team. And it's not that that person is only going.
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Alefiya
To do that, but that person is the one responsible for it to get it done somehow.
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Alefiya
So for example, who's going to be the.
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Alefiya
Designer of our team.
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Alefiya
And work on the images and the look and the feel.
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Alefiya
For our app?
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Alefiya
Who is going to be the coder.
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Alefiya
And really.
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Alefiya
Kind of create some.
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Alefiya
In-depth screens for our app.
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Alefiya
Who's going to be the one that's testing it and making sure it works, being a part.
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Alefiya
Of that.
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Alefiya
Iterative.
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Alefiya
Process right? All the kids should have experiences with all of those things, but if you are collaborating and working together as a team.
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Alefiya
Having some of those roles like you would in.
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Alefiya
Real life, right at a.
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Alefiya
Company, we have teams, we have a project manager, we have all kinds of different people that are doing different.
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Alefiya
Things, but we have to work.
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Alefiya
So.
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Alefiya
Closely together.
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Alefiya
And I think.
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Alefiya
Emulating some of that in the classroom is so helpful as well. It's not that one person again.
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Alefiya
Real world.
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Alefiya
Setting.
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Alefiya
It's not that one person at a company is doing all of the roles.
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Alefiya
Or all of the jobs that that company needs. You have specializations, but then you have to work together and kind of bring it all together.
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Vicki
And as the teacher, having teams or project managers and APMs assistant project managers is really, really helpful from a management standpoint because if you've got 6 to 8 apps being built in a classroom, you can have a meeting with your PMS and your APMs, and you can kind of help kids understand, okay, this is how the real world works.
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Vicki
Some kids, you know, when I do it, almost can have a pushback on the emotional intelligence required because they're like, Well, I just want to do it by myself. I can control myself. And you're like, Hey, that's not the real world. The real world is you have to learn to motivate and work with people.
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Alefiya
It really is. And there are people that have learned and realized that they're individual contributors and they're really good.
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Alefiya
At that, and that's where they need.
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Alefiya
To function and that's fine. But in a world that is changing as quickly as it is, we know we can't.
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Alefiya
Prepare our kids for the jobs of.
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Alefiya
Tomorrow. We don't know what those jobs are going to be. So what we can prepare them with is those skills. And like my dear friend Greg Stone, who has been with me at MAD-Learn since the very beginning, likes to say it's not soft skills. It's vital and transferable skills. Right, Right. What are the skills that we can teach our kids.
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Alefiya
That transfer across careers, across industry? And they're so vital. They're so vital.
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Vicki
And one of the things I really like is having authentic products for kids, and that's what an app does, like how they can see it and they can see the life changes and they can see the things that are happening. So what you observe happens to kids when they see something that they made and they see it on their phone.
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Alefiya
That is the best part. You know, a lot of times.
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Alefiya
We get the question why apps, right? I can learn how to create anything. I can code anything and why apps.
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Alefiya
The reason that we focus.
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Alefiya
On apps and building apps and getting kids to build apps is because the reality is every student has or has access to that phone. That's right. And they're on their phone. 24 seven. That is the.
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Alefiya
Language. They speak much more than their computer or whatever else that we've got in the room. The phone is what they get. I was on a panel. I was listening to a panel of high school students just a couple of months ago, a lunch panel, and it was seven kids. Somebody in the audience said, So tell us about the cell phone policy in your school and the student said, When you.
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Alefiya
Take my phone away from me at the beginning of class, you might laugh.
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Alefiya
But to me it feels like you're pulling my arm off. That's how important these phones are to the kids.
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Alefiya
So let's use that as a hook to bring them into computer science and STEM. Right? It needs to not just be our five or ten kids that are in a computer science class. It needs to be all of.
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Vicki
Our kids, which is what's so great about object-oriented type programming for you. Focus on the text inside. So Alefiya Master, MAD-Learn, talking about project-based learning. We're talking about collaborative learning. We're talking about authentic learning with authentic products. These are all things that we need a classroom that we've been talking about for a very long time; that is very cool to use quite a bit in my history to help kids build apps.
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Vicki
So thanks for coming on.
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Alefiya
Thank you for having me, Vicki.
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Vicki
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Vicki
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Vicki
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SVicki
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Vicki
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